Opinions about World Conquest

[[George]]

The reason why small clans dont join the NFBL is because they believe that they aren't good enough to fight with the top clans...

uhh no, if you havnt been around them recently you might not know this, but they dont want to go to nfbl because they think everyone is something along the lines of "an aimbot noob with no life and nfbl is terrible" :\ (although this might just be an excuse for the reason you gave..)

[Josti]

Doesnt need to be a new league. Just make ladder more interesting.
Cuz now it never ending, and well thats just stupid. Before it was a real league. And clans like DS really tried to win it.

I'm just tired to see people complain about pjump. You have a great option for those people to still participate in the NFBL (the ladder) but you do nothing fun with it.

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As far I know clanladder had always this system...
But well like I said, when you got suggestions just post them here and we will react on it...

[Mackan]

Yes, a lot of planning for a diffrent system for CL was worked out long ago. It wasn't completly finished, but the cornerstones are there I guess...

It's been on the agenda for quite some time because we've also got the feeling that CL isn't very interesting for the clans and it probably needs a change.

Suggestions are welcome and we'll present some kind of idea for new CL whenever we've had time to finish it off...

Keep your eyes open and your minds sharp I guess?

[OldJosti]

Before you used to end 1 or 2 weeks after gc and wc. DS always try'd to win it, and once managed to win to

Clans try'd to win both things, and where really trying theyre best in both.
It was fun and nobody had to complain about pjumping or something else.

[[DS]CROSSI]

Clanladder in nonstop game and I really dont remember DS or somebody else won it... You can be on top places a few months but you dont win it. New CL with ELO system is too complicated, nobody would uderstand it and it just brings alot extra work. And when CL ends for example once per 4monts then clans has the same motivation as now. They just have to win last 2-3 matches and thats all, first 12 matches doesnt matter.

Dont know how for small clans or other DS members but for me is CTF or DM almost same, players are just fooljumping away from me because they dont have pdw or they dont have full life or dont know why... Its maybe fun for them but not for me. In past was normal to take 1 gun and fight... So however the system would be changed it brings no motivation for DS. In fact I wanted to take DS from NFBL but a few members didnt agree so they will play it, but I will not.

And defence points are called DEFENCE because they should be used for defending countries, not for extra attacks and dont know what. When clans are not using them thats their problem. I think its more fun when you know what you must win for example by 3 flags than when you play 1 extra game starting 0-0.

[Josti]

Agree, but nobody uses them so why should there be defence points.

So just name them points, and give clans other options to use them.


And for ladder its maybe a good idea to make something like a football league. A win is 3 points a loss 0 points. Shouldnt be that much work to keep it up to date.

And it doesnt happen that often that a player pjumps away when you shoot him, it just means u dont hit them hard enough.

[Guest]

DS is nothing without pecker and unreal...

[UltimateSniper]

Agree, but nobody uses them so why should there be defence points.

So just name them points, and give clans other options to use them.


And for ladder its maybe a good idea to make something like a football league. A win is 3 points a loss 0 points. Shouldnt be that much work to keep it up to date.

And it doesnt happen that often that a player pjumps away when you shoot him, it just means u dont hit them hard enough.

dont hit them hard enough? i hit them with a bl00dy sniper to the chest and never get another shot at em... the head isn't as easy nor worth the hassle if u just get a kill...

[Spida]

While reading this i started thinking about a new system and i also thought about the Football league system and i have seen then that it has already been mentioned by josti. I think thats a good idea because every match counts then. It shouldnt be that long then ( weeks ) because else one match counts quite low. When there are 8 Clans taking part in it there should be 14 matches played for each clan.
Like in football there is a "Home" Team(own stadion - in Nightfire own clan map which is chosen weekly ) and a "Foreign" team ( who visits the other teams' stadion - in NF the other clans map )
There should also be - like in football "Goal difference" - a Kill difference shown - if clans have the same points at the end they will decide about it.

In Clanladder there are mostly just the same Clans playing against eachother. For example SF is never playing against SO,VS or other clans because there are clans "between" it.. In the "Nightfire Football League :P" there would be everyone against everyone in one season. So all clans meet eachother in a match and know where their place is.
There could also be like Champions League for the first 3(?) clans or a playoff for the two best clans to check if the League Season had a honest winner. Well just some match at the end of a season ;) The two lowest ranked clans against eachother to play for the Lucky Looser or whatever ;)

I think its a good idea and we should talk about more details.

[[George]]

that does sound pretty cool, specially that all clans play each other.. makes it more interesting.. quite curious about the score between style5 and vs lol..

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Well I got some questions about the football leauge idea..

How you decide maps?
In maps like dm_japan the killdifference is most of the time higher then in dm_caviar(especially versus weaker clans)?

What to do when a clan dies (You have the killdifference. For example when FUR beat CSS 90-80 and s5 need to play CSS 1 week later but CSS died before that... How you decide score then..

How you decide score when it is a no show?

[[George]]

maybe clans can choose to attack another clan, and the clan they attack chooses the map..? so you can play safe, and attack a lower ranked clan, but you get less points then if you were to beat a higher ranked clan? or is that too complicated? :s

[Spida]

Well the problem with the killratio and the no shows is tricky, right. We could just leave out that and if there are same points at the end of the season ( like 2 Clans have 21 points ) then there would have to be a playoff in 2 Maps ( chosen by each clan ? ) or 1 map both clans agree on? to see who the winner is. Or just a random map that hasnt been played before..

Edit:
Or we could just say a no show is a killratio of +50/100? or whatever

[Smith]

The current clanladder in this form has a great advantage. as a new clan, like SA, want to join the NFBL but they're 2 late for the WC they can still play cl. but if both leagues started they got nothing to do till both end.. and if they can join halfway, there is no way they can wint it?

Your idea would result in a third league, next to the WC/GC and CL